Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to DesotoFireflite on Fri Jan 28 2022 07:05 pm

If it's a long message, I'm not able to quote to the end. On your
message for example, if it were just a few lines longer, I would not
be able to quote it all, nor see it all in the quote window. It
would get to a

I logged onto your BBS and tried quoting a long message. I may have been able to reproduce it with one message, but when I tried it again, I was able to quote the whole message.

I know this is an old topic, but the problem was stated as simply "long message"... but it's a specific case of a long message. It's when the final paragraph is longer than 2 lines of 80 column text. The final paragraph gets cut to two lines in the lightbar quote box.

It doesn't get noticed because most people post in networked areas... so the last paragraph is the BBS network tag that is usually 2 lines, and even if longer, almost never gets quoted.

I participate in an active local message area, and this has bugged me ever since my favorite BBS upgraded to Synchronet 3.19 at the beginning of the year.

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 12 2022 12:30 pm

I participate in an active local message area, and this has bugged me ever since my favorite BBS upgraded to Synchronet 3.19 at the beginning of the year.

Is this particular to a specific message editor?
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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 12 2022 12:30 pm

If it's a long message, I'm not able to quote to the end. On your
message for example, if it were just a few lines longer, I would
not be able to quote it all, nor see it all in the quote window. It
would get to a

I know this is an old topic, but the problem was stated as simply "long message"... but it's a specific case of a long message. It's when the final paragraph is longer than 2 lines of 80 column text. The final paragraph gets cut to two lines in the lightbar quote box.

It doesn't get noticed because most people post in networked areas... so the last paragraph is the BBS network tag that is usually 2 lines, and even if longer, almost never gets quoted.

I participate in an active local message area, and this has bugged me ever since my favorite BBS upgraded to Synchronet 3.19 at the beginning of the year.

I just tried sending a test message to myself on my BBS (it was a local message, so wouldn't have any network tag lines etc.), then replied to it, and I was able to quote the whole message. I didn't see any missing lines. As I've been unable to reproduce this issue (at least, from my understanding), I'm not sure what's happening there.

I also haven't heard about this issue from anyone else. Could there be something locally on that BBS that may be causing this issue? I can't think of what might do that, but as I can't reproduce it (and haven't heard about it from anyone else), I'm at a bit of a loss.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 12 2022 12:30 pm

I know this is an old topic, but the problem was stated as simply "long message"... but it's a specific case of a long message. It's when the final paragraph is longer than 2 lines of 80 column text. The final paragraph gets cut to two lines in the lightbar quote box.

I've looked into this a bit in SlyEdit, and I can make a change to how it reads quote lines. It seems some of the lines in the quote file can be wider than the user's terminal, and that may result in some lines being cut off when quoting. I've made an update which I'm testing now that should fix that - For quote lines, I should probably have SlyEdit word-wrap long lines so that they all are available in the quote window.

I'd like to do some more testing, and I'll plan on releasing an updated SlyEdit that should fix this issue.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Mon Dec 12 2022 06:29 pm

I participate in an active local message area, and this has bugged me
ever since my favorite BBS upgraded to Synchronet 3.19 at the
beginning of the year.

Is this particular to a specific message editor?

There actually seems to be room for improvement in SlyEdit's handling of quote lines. When the quote.txt file is written, some of the lines can be longer than the user's terminal width (at least that seems to be the case when using my message reader), and when quoting those lines, some of them are cut off due to their length. I looked into the quote line reading in SlyEdit a bit, and I think I can use word_wrap() to wrap the quote lines to ensure they fit into the user's terminal so they're all available for quoting.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to ErikaX86 on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:51 am

Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Mon Dec 12 2022 12:30 pm

I know this is an old topic, but the problem was stated as simply "long message"... but it's a specific case of a long message. It's when the final paragraph is longer than 2 lines of 80 column text. The final paragraph gets cut to two lines in the lightbar quote box.

I've looked into this a bit in SlyEdit, and I can make a change to how it reads quote lines. It seems some of the lines in the quote file can be wider than the user's terminal, and that may result in some lines being cut off when quoting.

There's a configuration option in SCFG to control that (for each external editor): "Word-wrap Quoted Text". Is that enabled?
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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:59 am

Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Mon Dec 12 2022 06:29 pm

I participate in an active local message area, and this has bugged me
ever since my favorite BBS upgraded to Synchronet 3.19 at the
beginning of the year.

Is this particular to a specific message editor?

There actually seems to be room for improvement in SlyEdit's handling of quote lines. When the quote.txt file is written, some of the lines can be longer than the user's terminal width (at least that seems to be the case when using my message reader), and when quoting those lines, some of them are cut off due to their length. I looked into the quote line reading in SlyEdit a bit, and I think I can use word_wrap() to wrap the quote lines to ensure they fit into the user's terminal so they're all available for quoting.

That feature is already built-into SBBS, if you need it.
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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Dec 13 2022 04:22 pm

I've looked into this a bit in SlyEdit, and I can make a change to how
it reads quote lines. It seems some of the lines in the quote file
can be wider than the user's terminal, and that may result in some

There's a configuration option in SCFG to control that (for each external editor): "Word-wrap Quoted Text". Is that enabled?

Yes, I have it set to "Yes, for terminal width".
I've been using my message reader though, and now that I think about it, my message reader doesn't check for that option when writing QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 05:45 pm

Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Dec 13 2022 04:22 pm

I've looked into this a bit in SlyEdit, and I can make a change to how
it reads quote lines. It seems some of the lines in the quote file
can be wider than the user's terminal, and that may result in some

There's a configuration option in SCFG to control that (for each external editor): "Word-wrap Quoted Text". Is that enabled?

Yes, I have it set to "Yes, for terminal width".
I've been using my message reader though, and now that I think about it, my message reader doesn't check for that option when writing QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Yes, the XTRN_QUOTEWRAP bit-flag.
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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Mon Dec 12 2022 06:29 pm

Is this particular to a specific message editor?

I just tested a few different editors on this BBS and on Nightfox's, and similar behavior happens in others. With further testing, it also doesn't seem to be a 100% thing that a final long paragraph will always be truncated in the quote window... but that seems to be the easiest way to make it happen in SlyEdit and FSedit.

Sorry I didn't have more understanding of other editors when I first posted... I was just reading old messages on a whim and got excited when I saw the original poster describing this issue I've been noticing. I think I'd always assumed it was just SlyEdit, but there seems to be oddities with other editors too.

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:50 am

Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Mon Dec 12 2022 06:29 pm

Is this particular to a specific message editor?

I just tested a few different editors on this BBS and on Nightfox's, and similar behavior happens in others. With further testing, it also doesn't seem to be a 100% thing that a final long paragraph will always be truncated in the quote window... but that seems to be the easiest way to make it happen in SlyEdit and FSedit.

Sorry I didn't have more understanding of other editors when I first posted... I was just reading old messages on a whim and got excited when I saw the original poster describing this issue I've been noticing. I think I'd always assumed it was just SlyEdit, but there seems to be oddities with other editors too.

It sounds like you might be using a 3rd party (Nightfox's) message reader which is doing the message quoting for you. Try this same thing on a different Synchronet BBS (e.g. Vertrauen) and see if you can reproduce the same issue. That'd be helpful to know.
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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Dec 13 2022 08:19 pm

QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine
I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Yes, the XTRN_QUOTEWRAP bit-flag.

There's also an option for the number of columns to wrap to (a number, or the user's terminal width). Is there a way to check for that value in JS?

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:50 am

Is this particular to a specific message editor?

I just tested a few different editors on this BBS and on Nightfox's, and similar behavior happens in others. With further testing, it also doesn't seem to be a 100% thing that a final long paragraph will always be truncated in the quote window... but that seems to be the easiest way to make it happen in SlyEdit and FSedit.

I've looked into it a bit, and part of it definitely stems from my message reader not checking the quote wrap setting in the external editor settings for the user's editor - If enabled, my reader should wrap the quote lines it writes to the quotes file.

I'm making updates to my reader to do that, and that should fix it with my reader for any editor that's configured to have quote lines wrapped.

Nightfox

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Re: Editor quoted text wrapping
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 10:44 pm

Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Dec 13 2022 08:19 pm

QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine
I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Yes, the XTRN_QUOTEWRAP bit-flag.

There's also an option for the number of columns to wrap to (a number, or the user's terminal width). Is there a way to check for that value in JS?

Not easily: that setting isn't directly modeled). However, you could use the cnflib.js to load xtrn.cnf and find that setting, or wait until v3.20a, where that setting is (much) easier to parse from xtrn.ini (converted form the old xtrn.cnf), OR just assume it's 0 (wrap to user's terminal width). That's likely the most common setting anyway.
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Re: Editor quoted text wrapping
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Dec 13 2022 11:34 pm

QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I
imagine I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for
that?

Yes, the XTRN_QUOTEWRAP bit-flag.

There's also an option for the number of columns to wrap to (a number,
or the user's terminal width). Is there a way to check for that value
in JS?

Not easily: that setting isn't directly modeled). However, you could use the cnflib.js to load xtrn.cnf and find that setting, or wait until v3.20a, where that setting is (much) easier to parse from xtrn.ini (converted form the old xtrn.cnf), OR just assume it's 0 (wrap to user's terminal width). That's likely the most common setting anyway.

OK, thanks.
I may look into using cnflib.js for now to see if I can get the setting that way.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:50 am

I just tested a few different editors on this BBS and on Nightfox's, and similar behavior happens in others. With further testing, it also doesn't seem to be a 100% thing that a final long paragraph will always be truncated in the quote window... but that seems to be the easiest way to make it happen in SlyEdit and FSedit.

I just committed an update to DDMsgReader (and SlyEdit as well) for wrapping quote lines to make sure the quote lines are all available. On the other BBS you mentioned, I'd recommend they update to the latest DDMsgReader and SlyEdit.js once they're merged to the main branch in Synchronet's git repository.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Dec 13 2022 05:45 pm

I've been using my message reader though, and now that I think about it, my message reader doesn't check for that option when writing QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Thanks to both you and digital man for taking up the thread. I was starting to wonder if I had gone too "high up the chain" bringing it up to you developers... like it was just something that Sysops needed to deal with. I'm happy it looks like I actually helped.

Thanks again for looking into it!

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 14 2022 09:00 am

Thanks to both you and digital man for taking up the thread. I was starting to wonder if I had gone too "high up the chain" bringing it up to you developers... like it was just something that Sysops needed to deal with. I'm happy it looks like I actually helped.

Thanks again for looking into it!

when i was on fidonet and other nets, i would ask my feed for help.
half of the time it was their fault anyways.
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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:35 pm

It sounds like you might be using a 3rd party (Nightfox's) message reader which is doing the message quoting for you. Try this same thing on a diffe

I'm posting this from Vertrauen, and the above is the last two lines available in SlyEdit... however, all lines were available to "list" when using no external editor. FSEditor on Vert also picked up the final lines.

Many other messages with long concluding paragraphs DID work fine with SlyEdit on Vert, though... in fact, I tried about a dozen before coming back to this message to tell you I couldn't reproduce it on Vert. But this one did produce the behavior.

How ironic that it was the very message where I was going to say that I couldn't reproduce it here.

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Re: Slyedit
By: Erikax86 to Digital Man on Wed Dec 14 2022 05:08 pm

Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to ErikaX86 on Tue Dec 13 2022 09:35 pm

It sounds like you might be using a 3rd party (Nightfox's) message reader which is doing the message quoting for you. Try this same thing on a diffe

I'm posting this from Vertrauen, and the above is the last two lines available in SlyEdit... however, all lines were available to "list" when using no external editor. FSEditor on Vert also picked up the final lines.

Many other messages with long concluding paragraphs DID work fine with SlyEdit on Vert, though... in fact, I tried about a dozen before coming back to this message to tell you I couldn't reproduce it on Vert. But this one did produce the behavior.

How ironic that it was the very message where I was going to say that I couldn't reproduce it here.

I have SlyEdit configured here on Vertrauen in SCFG with "Word-wrap Quoted Text" set to "No". Perhaps that needs to changes to "Yes".
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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 14 2022 09:00 am

I've been using my message reader though, and now that I think about
it, my message reader doesn't check for that option when writing
QUOTES.TXT I'll have to look into where I can check that. I imagine
I can check xtrn_area.editor[user.editor].settings for that?

Thanks to both you and digital man for taking up the thread. I was starting to wonder if I had gone too "high up the chain" bringing it up to you developers... like it was just something that Sysops needed to deal with. I'm happy it looks like I actually helped.

Thanks again for looking into it!

Thanks for bringing it up again. Somehow it was something I had rarely seen, but now that I was able to see it happening, I was able to make a fix.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Digital Man to Erikax86 on Wed Dec 14 2022 05:26 pm

I have SlyEdit configured here on Vertrauen in SCFG with "Word-wrap Quoted Text" set to "No". Perhaps that needs to changes to "Yes".

That can help. I've also made a merge request that includes a change to SlyEdit to word-wrap quote lines, to help avoid this issue.

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to ErikaX86 on Wed Dec 14 2022 06:23 pm

Thanks for bringing it up again. Somehow it was something I had rarely seen, but now that I was able to see it happening, I was able to make a fix.

Thank you so very much! The bbs I'm on most installed the updates and the quote window problem is gone. Sorry it took so long to thank you (and you too digital man)... I was home for the holidays and bbs'ing is just something I seem to do regularly when I'm at my desktop. Never got into it on my tablet or other device.

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Re: Slyedit
By: ErikaX86 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 03 2023 11:10 pm

Thanks for bringing it up again. Somehow it was something I had
rarely seen, but now that I was able to see it happening, I was able
to make a fix.

Thank you so very much! The bbs I'm on most installed the updates and the quote window problem is gone. Sorry it took so long to thank you (and you too digital man)... I was home for the holidays and bbs'ing is just something I seem to do regularly when I'm at my desktop. Never got into it on my tablet or other device.

Good to hear the problem is fixed. :)

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to ErikaX86 on Tue Jan 03 2023 10:09 pm

(and you too digital man)... I was home for the holidays and bbs'ing is just something I seem to do regularly when I'm at my desktop. Never got into it on my tablet or other device.

Good to hear the problem is fixed. :)

oh i do have a feature request.
could you allow a user to turn it off if they choose? i'm a power user and i don't like to have it turned on in some cases. it would be good if a user's pref could be saved in a data file.

also since you make so many updates maybe an auto-update feature?
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Re: Slyedit
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 04 2023 06:06 am

oh i do have a feature request.
could you allow a user to turn it off if they choose? i'm a power user and i don't like to have it turned on in some cases. it would be good if a user's pref could be saved in a data file.

Turn what off?

also since you make so many updates maybe an auto-update feature?

I don't think my updates are that frequent (especially for SlyEdit). I'm not sure the best way I'd make an auto-update feature for my mods..

Nightfox

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jan 04 2023 09:00 am

Re: Slyedit
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 04 2023 06:06 am

oh i do have a feature request.
could you allow a user to turn it off if they choose? i'm a power user and i don't like to have it turned on in some cases. it would be good if a user's pref could be saved in a data file.

Turn what off?

oh i thought this post was about the msg viewer. it's about slyedit.

the msg viewer. i'd like to toggle it off sometimes.

I don't think my updates are that frequent (especially for SlyEdit). I'm not sure the best way I'd make an auto-update feature for my mods..

you have it check your server periodically and then update it.
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Re: Slyedit
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 04 2023 06:29 pm

the msg viewer. i'd like to toggle it off sometimes.

So, being able to let the user revert to the stock reader when desired?
I think that could be doable, though perhaps a little weird. I could put a user option in DDMsgReader to turn it off so the BBS would use the stock reader, but then once the user is using the stock reader, the user would have no way to re-enable DDMsgReader unless there's a separate script to do so and the sysop adds an option to the menu for the user to do so.

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Re: Slyedit
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jan 04 2023 09:55 pm

Re: Slyedit
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 04 2023 06:29 pm

the msg viewer. i'd like to toggle it off sometimes.

So, being able to let the user revert to the stock reader when desired?
I think that could be doable, though perhaps a little weird. I could put a user option in DDMsgReader to turn it off so the BBS would use the stock reader, but then once the user is using the stock reader, the user would have no way to re-enable DDMsgReader unless there's a separate script to do so and the sysop adds an option to the menu for the user to do so.

cant you just set a user flag, have it look for it when loading, and if
the user wants it on, they get it. if they dont, it's off

i stored a mod inside the read prompt so you could probably do something like that to toggle it.
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Re: Slyedit
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jan 05 2023 02:12 am

cant you just set a user flag, have it look for it when loading, and if the user wants it on, they get it. if they dont, it's off

Probably. And for the user to be able to change that, there'd have to be some script or something that the user can run so they can toggle it.

Nightfox

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