That is what still bugs me the most about it. People say that it helps keep in touch, as if there were no other way to do it. Why do you need to involve a predator in our communication? Why do you feel the need to make everything about me logged and tracked, just to show me a photo?
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on Mon May 19 2025 08:06 am
That is what still bugs me the most about it. People say that it help keep in touch, as if there were no other way to do it. Why do you need involve a predator in our communication? Why do you feel the need t make everything about me logged and tracked, just to show me a phot
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see i You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat y news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
Nightfox
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically, it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see i
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook
provides way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them
can see i
At one time, while Facebook was gaining traction, ISPs still provided you with 'web space' where you could post and share things like that. People just didn't want to learn how. It would still be a thing if people used it.
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
Some of my family used to send group emails. I don't think I've seen them do that since maybe 2011 though. I don't think I even know most of my family's email addresses. And it seems most people only use email for signing up for web sites & services these days.
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Mon May 19 2025 10:25 pm
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically, it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
Some of my family used to send group emails. I don't think I've seen
them do that since maybe 2011 though. I don't think I even know most
of my family's email addresses. And it seems most people only use
email for signing up for web sites & services these days.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on
Sun May 18 2025 08:26 pm
It's not that there's no other way to do it.. I feel like Facebook provides a way for people to post an update once, and everyone following them can see it. You could just call people, but I feel like it could be a hassle to repeat your news to each person individually.
I've seen people also have group chats with their family these days too.. However, my family (and friends) don't do that.
I think people who still have meaningful social contact in the real
world has a blast when they get to talk to different groups of friends
and tell them about great news, even if it means they have to repeat
the news multiple times.
You know, telling news, igniting a conversations, then repeating the process with a different group of friends.
I don't think most people is extracting that sort of interaction from Social Media. You upload the photo, people clicks on "share" and "like" and make some inane comment (if any comment at all) and then moves to
the next interesting thing.
When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements and arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gotten into
contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
... BoraxMan
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
When I went on holidays, I would just send group e-mails. Ironically,
it was someone else going on holiday that made me go on Facebook originally. They said they would post updates there, so I signed up
for that reason. They didn't end up posting much anyway!
phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-
At one time, while Facebook was gaining traction, ISPs still provided
you with 'web space' where you could post and share things like that. People just didn't want to learn how. It would still be a thing if
people used it.
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I think people who still have meaningful social contact in the real
world has a blast when they get to talk to different groups of friends
and tell them about great news, even if it means they have to repeat
the news multiple times.
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
When I was on Social Media (during Covid), it just led to disagreements a arguments. Yes, I did message some people I had found that I hadn't gott into
contact with since school, but that never really got anywhere.
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise le Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
... BoraxMan
one thing i've noticed about myself is i no longer enjoy going out to restaurants or just to places. if it's a restaurant, i do take out. i am n longer in a relationship nor looking. i prefer to be alone. Since covid i ha been in this type of pattern and it hasn't changed. not sure if i'm abnorma or if i've just decided that i dont have time for the other shit in life. i have had 2 common law wives that add up to over 20 years, so there's that. maybe i'm done with people.
The friends who started email lists because it was more efficient to talk to different groups of friends rang a bit hollow. If you need to make connecting with your friends "more efficient", you're missing the point of friendship.
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive
spam and advertising.
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I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was
out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a
right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
I wouldn't blame them for getting rid of a person like that but also
there seems to be a bunch of witch hunts that people enjoy.
We like to cancel people.
in my old town there was a witch hunt thing over google reviews and a
bar. and people ended up making up stories that the owner sexually assaulted people. people got together online and made up stories and
even went to the court about it when he was having a license review. I was even contacted online to make up a story and show up.
Some nuts were even saying the owner was going to poison them when he
had an event where he did free booze. That's just horrible and ugly.
i think the human race is basically at war with itself. our monkey
brains and human brains can't figure shit out. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Tue May 20 2025 09:20 am
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protect their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than
likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.
The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
Pretty sure it has done more harm than good. It is the "best" way to spread disinformation about any subject you want, and also the "best" way
for a foreign power to interfere with the populace in another country.
On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China,
Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintai
their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protec
their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
I don't think those countries do that out of a benelovent motivation to protect their citizens from bad outside influences. They more than likely do so in order to maintain their own government's influence on their populace and prevent any outside influence that might lead their population to want to protest, revolt, or do anything against the government.
Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-
The email inbox is now like the letterbox. Just a place to receive spam and advertising.
The bulk of my inbox is junk. We still use it to communicate at work,
but I tell the teachers, "if you want me to see it NOW, text me."
I'm not sure how i feel about free speech in the workplace. if i was out in the public and heading some kkk rally does my company have a right to get rid of me if they don't support my views or they think i don't support theirs?
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
He asked how I'd feel if my neighbor put one up. I said as long
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.
Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.
though.
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family relationships, it gets things explained IMO.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
It seems to me, that the younger generation do go out less. Socialise less. Have less real world interaction. I think this is evidence that Social Media probably doesn't bring people together.
You are prety much correct in that people does not socialize much
anymore. Every now and then some study pops out and shows loneliness statistics are up through the roof. I don't think Social Media in
itself is to blame here, though.
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
If we think this sample is relatable to friendships and family
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 21 2025 11:04 pm
... Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
My childrens schools will send multiple emails a week. Sometimes multiple a day, and each is the same. Its a message with a subject, and you have to click a link to go to a web page. The webpage has the first few lines or first paragraph, then you have to click "read more" to get the rremaining few lines.
Why they don't just sent the text in the email itself is beyond me. Utterly ridiculous.
is it because they are using some provider that does that for security?
my credit union does that.
not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
that was before the Internet became popular in households.
Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.
nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Thu May 22 2025 08:08 am
not going out, staying at home was known in the 90s. I recall someone
talking of "cocooning" in the early 90s, where people were choosing to stay at home,
eat in, etc, instead of going out. So it was talked about back then, and
that was before the Internet became popular in households.
Kids in the 90s I grew up with would play soccer all afternoon long
after homework. Usually they would play soccer all afternoon long
skipping homework altogether.
I think people in Spain still go out with outstanding frequency, but
the nature of social interaction is specially shallow. People goes out specifically for getting drunk with others and that is what friends are good for. I don't think you can have friends who get interested in your life projects or who you get to help with their life projects anymore.
Is this trend towards unsatisfactory romantic relationships relatively
recent, or a longer term trend? I can see how it is true but I'm interested in when it started.
It depends on how you define "recent". I think the first ones I read
were 5 to 10 years old at the most. I remember thinking a lot of the secondary issues pointed out in those studies seemed linked to Tinder
and Tinder-like dating applications.
and Tinder-like dating applications.
I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 23 2025 08:00 am
and Tinder-like dating applications.
I've heard first had from people who had been in the dating scene a long, long time that these apps have indeed completely changed peoples expectations. They report exactly which this study said, that people aren't really looking for relationships. Its treated more like an online store where you can arrange a meal for the night or a one off visit.
most of the people on the dating sites are married and looking to
cheat. the single women are on the sugar daddy sites. sad times we
live in. ---
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
i'm surprised men are still getting into relationships. they have too much to lose. must be the hormones.
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Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
I disagree. I think you misunderstand what Free Speech is for. Most
do.
I don't like the "hate speech is not free speech" argument, I think its subterfuge to block political opinion, but Free Speech is not about
your right to express yourself however you want.
People think that Free Speech is about you saying what you like. The idea, the supporting philosophy for Free Speech is the need for ideas
to be challenged, and for ideas to be challenged, then there must be protection for those challenging.
Free Speech is there to ensure that people are able to hear other
peoples ideas, in particular, those which challenge the established
norms, powers and are not the mainstream position.
The purpose of Free Speech, is to ensure that YOU can hear my argument
if you want to, and ensure that I can make my argument to those who are
a willing audience. If you are blocked from hearing arguments, you are harmed. It harms you more than me, because I already know what I'm
going to say, but you don't.
Flying a swastica says nothing. It is not an argument, not a
statement, and no one is harmed, or loses out on understanding a
contrary point of view, by not being able to see one. Not that I necessarily think that ban is right, but its ont a free speech issue really.
Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed May 21 2025 07:07 pm
find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.
I have been very lucky. 40+ years of marriage to the same woman. I wouldn't
There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
I don't think that's necessarily true.. For me personally, I'm not
really into drinking alcoholic beverages (I might have something with alcohol maybe once or twice in a year);
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
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Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 08:38 pm
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
Free speech is when you can SPEAK or WRITE, but not express
yourself however you want. Is expressing yourself punching
someone in the nose? That is not free speech.
People think that Free Speech is about you saying what you like. The idea, the supporting philosophy for Free Speech is the need for ideas
to be challenged, and for ideas to be challenged, then there must be protection for those challenging.
I don't disagree.
Free Speech is there to ensure that people are able to hear other
peoples ideas, in particular, those which challenge the established
norms, powers and are not the mainstream position.
The purpose of Free Speech, is to ensure that YOU can hear my argument
if you want to, and ensure that I can make my argument to those who are
a willing audience. If you are blocked from hearing arguments, you are harmed. It harms you more than me, because I already know what I'm
going to say, but you don't.
Sounds like we are saying the same thing. You should have the
ability to express yourself with your words or symbols.
Flying a swastica says nothing. It is not an argument, not a
statement, and no one is harmed, or loses out on understanding a
contrary point of view, by not being able to see one. Not that I necessarily think that ban is right, but its ont a free speech issue really.
My point in using that example is that you and I might agree that
it's a bad thing to fly, but what about when 'pop culture' says
that my Christian flag is hate speech to a subset of the
population? I could argue all day long that Jesus is the
oppisite of 'hate speech,' but that won't change someone's
mind.
So the issue becomes, who decides what is free speech/hate
speech?
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 23 2025 11:17 pm
There is a very thin line between the sugar daddy/sugar baby set up
and prostitution. I would not object to them being treated as such.
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
Nobody drives a car like it's owner.
is that a masturbation joke?
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.
NIGHTFOX wrote to PHIGAN <=-
Yeah, I used to use my web space at my ISP. I didn't use it for
sharing updates about myself though.. After I first started using the internet in 1995, I started learning how to make web pages and would
use my ISP web space to store my work and share that. I made some
basic web pages with misc. content I saw elsewhere online. I'd also sometimes use my web space to store files I wanted to share with other people.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue May 20 2025 08:29 am
If you reach deep into serious studies about romantic relationships you find the trend is for romantic relationships to be tremendously unsatisfactory. There are a number of potential reasons they speculate
as probable causes but what seems to be hard facts is people is not getting their expectations fulfilled and people does not want to put effort into the deal.
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Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:45 pm
is there a thin line? this is escorting. looks like the same thing
Probably wouldn't be considered prostition in a court of law, but that would just be a technical matter. For all intents and purposes, we know these women are selling their bodies for sex. Its just that there is a relationship component thinly painted on top.
well the one i found, you have to pay them to meet up.
i created a fake profile to see if i recognize any women in my area.
I use an old veteran's photo. i get a lot of offers.
I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.
Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made webpages.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Phigan <=-
Geocities. Cheezy and amazing at the same time.
Elf wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Have you seen Neocities?
https://neocities.org
"Create your own free website. Unlikmited creativity, zero ads."
Matthew Munson wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I miss program such as Microsoft Frontpage. It was one of the favorite apps I used to make websites in the late 90s/early 00s.
Livejournal likely was the reason why I stopped making home made
webpages.
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Have you seen Neocities?
https://neocities.org
"Create your own free website. Unlikmited creativity, zero ads."
I have! I wonder when the hipsters who started shooting with Lomo and Holga film cameras, then early digicams, will discover personal web
sites?
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
Foriest Jan Smith wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 20:38:47
Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.
I've always associated freedom of speech with government rather than a private company's response to your speech. I think to assume otherwise
is kind of silly. I'd be glad if such individuals honestly suffered the social consequences (social consequences are not covered by freedom of speech, merely retaliation by government).
Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-
"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
I was reading articles that saying in the united kingdom virginity is increasing in their population. 1 in 8 people in the United Kingdom in their mid 20s never had sex.
Maybe people are scared of rejection.
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
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"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".
A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.
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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 28 2025 08:48 am
A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.
the reasoning behind it is they want to punish people more for
targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class.
religion, sex, race, etc ---
targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class. religion, sex, race, etc ---
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a "hate crime"?
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-
Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.
Arelor wrote to Matthew Munson <=-
From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I
can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification
but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.
Arelor wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will
try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.
The intent of the law was that a crime was perpetrated on someone
*because* of their race or other protected status.
It's the difference between "let's kill this guy because he's an
asshole" versus "let's kill this guy because he's
black/muslim/gay/trans".
But, it can be loosely applied all too often - the same way everyone
except actual domestic terrorists can be called domestic terrorists.
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There is a great search engine
https://wiby.me
Only indexes simple web pages.
Click "suprise me" to be transported to the web at the turn of the century. I've come accross so much interesting stuff doing that.
I'll have to take a look at that. I have a page, https://tilde.club/~poindexter, that I set up with Blosxom, a web site
blog app I liked back in the 2000s. It's a perl script that does
templating and creates static pages for your site based on text file
blog posts. Maybe that will qualify?
https://tilde.club/~poindexter, that I set up with Blosxom, a web site blog app I liked back in the 2000s. It's a perl script that does templating and creates static pages for your site based on text file
blog posts.
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
When I was a little kid, younger than 5, I was have a great day at the beach with my mother. Everything was great until a group of 5 black women beat my mother infront of me and dragged me out into the water and held my head under water.
Since then i've probably had hundreds of bad encounters with black people.
I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country, especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch yn fawr
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr
From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.
Work hard enough and you'll attrace members of the opposite sex with
your large, expansive tracts of land! No chasing required!
Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.
It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.
Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
Josh Bailey wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm
I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm
Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales having its own
healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.*free
Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Re: Free SpeechWell show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm
You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.
Quoting Arelor to Poindexter Fortran <=-
Re: Re: Facebook & online stuff
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:51 am
From a rational point of view I cannot justify chasing a woman when I can be making money or expanding my harvesting area instead. And for people who is tight on resources it is not a matter of justification but of hard impossibility - they cannot pay the bidding price.
Work hard enough and you'll attrace members of the opposite sex with
your large, expansive tracts of land! No chasing required!
Land is not the chick magnet it used to be.
Anyway, attracting is one thing and keeping another. The problem lies right on the fact that women want you to keep them entertained, take
them to places, and no matter what they tell you, they will get bored
of cost-efficient activities quite fast and ditch you for somebody who will spend more resources in them. For no other reason that if your
idea of fun is participating in scythe contests you must be a borying bloke with no personallity, of course.
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm
I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr
Quoting Josh Bailey to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm
I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mickey <=-
Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Quoting Josh Bailey to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:28 pm
I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.
I'm ethnically Welsh and Wales is a country so i may be in the UK physically and legally a citizen iw ould never say i was from the UK.
It would be like saying i was from North America instead of saying
Canada, or USA or mexico.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm
You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.
Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-
Re: Free Speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i
don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.
Cougar428 wrote to FORIEST JAN SMITH <=-
Quoting Foriest Jan Smith to Jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
I'll never be mistaken for a moderator, but I don't seem to be able to
follow your conversation. Your reply doesn't really contain any
context for me to grab onto.
Re: Free Speechjust use google.
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm
Re: Free SpeechWell show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
will spend more resources in them. For no other reason that if your
idea of fun is participating in scythe contests you must be a borying bloke with no personallity, of course.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.
That would only be true if we accepted that the government has a legitimate claim to authority, which is debatable.
ie. do you think it is ethical for a political party that got in power with 23% of the votes to build infrastructure which is clearly not
needed while politicians and contractors divert 50% of the budget of
each project to their pockets?
When people condemns tax evasion they do so based on the idealized
model of what the State is and what it does represent instead of what
the government *actually is* and how it behaves in practice.
Foriest Jan Smith wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29
But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.
Sounds like you're chasing the wrong women... I know a couple of
historical re-enactors who might be interested in a scythe contest...
I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor
on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm
I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.
It is easy.
In a modern nation-state it is understood that the legitimacy of
authority comes from the fact they represent the interests of the
people, who delegates power in the government. I don't agrtee but let's follow with the argument.
If a government does NOT represent the interest of the voters then you cannot say they are using the power the people delegated on it as intended. If they are outright abusing such power and not representing
the people then they don't get to claim they work with the authority of the people and therefore nobody must take their ethical claims
seriously.
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm
Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales
having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what
you can get in England.
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MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm
Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm
Free speech or the world will collapse!
you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
Wow! MRO, you often (okay, USUALLY) post things I do not agree with. But in this instance....
TOUCHE!
Well played Sir! Well played!
Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Free Speech
Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.
The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at h s://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?gucc ter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK r5_lSdPCh12lsrThlFcL5Y525maW5O9vX_rx4b0m9XmXlohG4B2andN6CkoUBiLk-m5EXrYThKjz rEspaOVvhS4qGZK_Ooc17X2o2KbDVJB7tN9S5VsBSyj3MKc-Hq5_V7WUO_PleObQbb2nF7gpc5QH 8EqdyJHub
Suffice it to say, if a US citizen were to visit the UK, they need to be EXTREMELY careful about what, how, and where they say something. As a US citizen who has never been to the UK before, I could be subject to arrest in the UK for things I have posted on social media in the past should I ever vi that oppressive regime.
The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope
Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales
having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.
So.... there's "free" and then there's "more free?"
Fascinating.
Re: Re: Free Speech
The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech
crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at
h s://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?g
ucc ter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=A
The last time I visited England (30 years ago) It was a beautiful country full of wonderful history and lovely people. Today, the country is a total shithole, just remember as with the so called British invasion, they are about a year ahead of us. Get ready.
Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Weatherman on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:21:52
The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope
I must have slept in that day as I completely missed it.
The only time this stuff about UK hate speech laws ever seems to come up is when someone from the USA says what a travesty it is. It's fairly controvers here when it gets used, but that's almost never. I haven't heard anything ab it in at least a year.
BobW
Britain will be minority White within a few decades.
Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Bob Worm on Mon Jun 09 2025 17:16:10
Britain will be minority White within a few decades.
OK, I'm out.
BobW
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