We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode every format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.
One used CD shop had a clever system. The CD cases themselves
were empty (except for the covers or booklets), and the actual
discs were in a handy drawer system behind the counter. Every
disc had a store-assigned code and could be easily looked up
right at the cash register.
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such
SD cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD
products are all practically under lock and key at
department/convenience stores.
Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for
CDs, so they could fit into a record company's shelves?
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as
the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let you extract that channel, or encode that additional channel instead.
I went the other way once, took digital tracks and made a DVD out of them. It was a lot of fun, you could make your own title screen and menus, select what options and where they'd go on the screen, and lay out chapters on the disk.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.
Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for CDs, so they could fi
Nightfox wrote to Kaelon <=-
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.
That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still
haven't had any problem with. I have a DVD movie I purchased a
little over 20 years ago, and I just watched it again a couple
months ago and it didn't have any problems. I also have a CD-R
that I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was
still able to read it recently.
For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to
wonder if those discs were stored somewhere that was too warm or
perhaps in sunlight or something.
I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.
So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much of that is still around? archive.org does a decent job, but good like finding some sites from the late 90's.
Caere Paperport scanners had their own format that it saved fiules in by default. Caere was bought up by Caldera, and I haven't seen a copy of their s oftware since the XP days.
Some of the early content created in Director, Shockwave and Flash were pretty amazing. I wish I'd saved some of it.
The internet archive has some of it saved, including Radiskull and Devil Doll. Look it up. :)
I tend to watch a half hour episode of a particular series in the morning on m
phone or iPad when having my breakfast before watching a single episode of something longer in the evening on returning home from work and having dinner.
Really? I assume you've tried the usual methods to remove the DRM and copy-pro
ction schema? Handbreak + AnyDVD / Slyfox combination?
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranked so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior rea
ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the final exam.
Handbrake could not find anything to pull off the DVD... well, except the commercial tracks. Those don't have any protection on them I guess.
MakeMKV can extract videos from a DVD (and blu-ray) into a .mkv file, and then you could use something to extract the audio track (such as StaxRip, which can separate out all the video and audio tracks). I have a feeling there may be easier wasy to rip just the audio track though..
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto
thrives
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 02:39 pm
I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.
When CDs were a relatively new medium, I remember hearing people
say they should theoretically last hundreds of years. Maybe
that's too optimistic, but I tend to think they should last quite
a while.
I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Complete agree. While archive.org does a decent job - of that I agree - they are only really capturing a miniscule fraction of all webpages. Think of the vast troves of really great sites (not to mention the countless crap-sites!) from Geocities, Lycos, HomeStead, etc. Gone. Completely.
Again, I channel a lot of the people that write about this sort of stuff and they beg, plead even, to just print everything out. Photos. Books. Posts. Whatever you care about, if you want it to survive for posterity, affix it to some physical format.
I cannot imagine that future generations will ever care to even try and unscramble the worthless ancient formats, even if they can get their hands on it. The Digital Detritus will be swept away by failed sites and unarchived flotsam.
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I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.
I am not familiar with the other two but, based on the order you have them in, I am assuming that Handbrake has to do something first that it cannot
do if it cannot find anything?
I've never used Handbrake for disc ripping, only transcoding.. I didn't even realize Handbrake could do that. Usually I rip discs with Makemkv, and then transcode the resulting video with Handbrake to make it smaller.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
I do that with photos which we take which matter to us, we print them into a book, though that is only a fraction of what we've taken.
I consider myself quite computer literate, having worked as IT support/co-admin, and even I worry about losing data that *I* handle, let alone others. People store their digital photo's on a laptop, one theft away from total loss. Someone I knew had theirs on a harddrive which they spilled liquid or or dropped. My wife had the only copies of many photos on her hard drive, which one day, decided to just die in a puff of smoke (luckily it somehow just worked again months later). Burned DVD's last, usually, but I've been stung by manufacturing defects. How many people use M-DISK? No one really. How many people have their photos managed by iPhoto or something, and have no idea where the files actually are on their drive, or how to access this outside of iPhoto/whatever-cloud-service?
If it is hard for me, what hope do others have?
So even if the information is around and not lost, how to find it? This was an issue in Medieval Europe too, old scrolls and books just laying in a jumble which no one knew, or cared, to know what they were.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.
Yeah, I often used to burn my BBS backups to a CD-R, but now,
even compressed, my BBS backup file needs more space than a CD-R.
I've been using a USB flash drive most of the time now.
[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but you use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys to your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able to pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any rate.
[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.
Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It would
be very easy to tell the difference between a commercial CD and
a CD-R.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:23 pm
We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode eve format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.
Recently I was thinking that if they did start to distribute movies on USB f tanding is that blu-ray and optical drives have a set of keys stored inside
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is n longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before qualit begins to decline.
That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still haven't had a hat I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was still able to re
For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to wonder if th
Nightfox
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranke so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the fina exam.
You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, v
i've done that.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but yo
use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys
o your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able
o pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any te.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
During the Renaissance, this problem was tackled programmatically through a variety of specialized roles:Agree, but who? Private interests may do it, but likely to monetise it, or not be interested because there isn't a quick return. Churhes? Monasteries?
* ARCHIVISTS were responsible for determining how content would be stored for the long-haul, and built upon the ancient library science and started creating standards for preservation, categorization, and reference.
* CHRONICLERS reviewed all of the news of the ages and built abridged histories, or Chronicles, of the time, including extentive reference to content that had been archived for future generations to conduct follow-up research.
* HISTORIANS became the scholars that reviewed the chronicles and cross-referenced with what archivists, and lesser librarians, had stored, in order to produce more 'modern' retrospectives and studies on what really happened and what the impact of what happened was.
We need similar roles for the new digital age. And I am not really convinced that the Internet Archive has a true archival, chronicling, and historiographic practice for their resspective domains.
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ahhhh, I will check into that!
I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than a technological one.
There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly extends to the one we are discussing.
As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.
val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!
Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
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The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator ( assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
* SLMR 2.1a * "Mmmmmmmm.....chocolate."
I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment
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Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's andI'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio strea
actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let
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Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant
dime past its expiration date.
Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a
significant dime past its expiration date.
It is just like books. Books make most of their profit
during their commertial lives within the first 6 months of
publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping along
through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.
Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It
would be very easy to tell the difference between a
commercial CD and a CD-R.
It was a commercially produced copy. I guess it seemed
sketchy because they seemed to have other copies of the CD
by itself (without the case) that they could give to
customers to replace the one they had bought.. For a pawn
shop, I wouldn't have expected that at the time, I guess.
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