• The Disney+ price hike ha

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Thu Oct 9 14:05:00 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Nightfox to Accession on Sat Oct 04 2025 10:22 am


    Years ago, Steam had a way to let you make backups of your games so you could more easily re-install them later. One of the options would have it make CD-R or DVD-R images so you could burn your backups to optical discs, though I imagine most people probably aren't doing that anymore.. It looks like Steam still has a way to create a backup of a game though.


    As far as I know they don't give you an automated way to create a backup that can be operated independently of the Steam ecosystem. I mean, so many games depend on Steam network activation anyway. It is crackeable, you can bet no backup solution from Steam would break their DRM on purpose.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Thu Oct 9 14:08:46 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 04 2025 04:38 pm

    whaaaaa? i thought you did it in protest for your buddy jimmy!
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    The fun part is that Disney is a left-wing company. The idea lefties are dogpiling on them because they are not pure enough would be so fundamentaly wonkers. I kind of wish it was true, though.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Thu Oct 9 14:14:01 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Sat Oct 04 2025 08:55 pm

    The same goes for any other game you buy from any of the other companies.

    Well, Gog provides a launcher but you can absolutely use their games with no launcher at all, and they hand you, themselves, install files for you to perform offline installs with no activation or anything.

    Zoom-platform does something similar. I think Itch.io is DRM free for the time being too.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Thu Oct 9 18:10:20 2025
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 01:46:36 -0700, you wrote:

    I'm pretty sure you can run the game executable directly if you wanted
    to.

    Try it. Hell, try to find the actual game executable and original game directory structure, even (especially if you install to default Steam directories). It's so intertwined into Steams subdirectories

    At least, I've run several Steam games that way. Steam doesn't
    obfuscate the game's files. I thought Steam put a shortcut icon on your desktop for the games, too..

    It optionally can, yes. However, using said desktop icon still loads up Steam (same goes for any other launcher said games are tied to) to launch the game. There's even situations where, for example, you buy and install a game like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III (2023). Your installation will also install Battle.net as well as run it when you launch the game, because that's the launcher/social crap that came with Call of Duty games at that time.

    The launching from Steam is just a convenience, I thought.

    I'm not so sure about that. I imagine there's probably some kind of exclusivity to where you can't just use any launcher for any game you want. If the launcher comes with the game, thay're going to make sure you can't bypass it, etc..

    You can also add non-Steam games to your Steam
    menu so you can launch those from Steam if you want to.

    When I run "The Division 2" from Steam, that launch actually points to:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Tom Clancy's The Division 2\thedivision2launcher.exe

    When you add non-Steam games to your Steam library, you're still loading up the game's original launcher (in this case, Ubisoft launcher).

    I added Minecraft to my Steam menu once, so that my Steam friends knew
    when I was playing Minecraft (since Steam lets your friends know what you're playing).

    Yep, and I'd bet when you hit the "play" button, it still loads up the Minecraft Launcher. Same scenario I'm referring to.

    Either way, I don't think you can run the games you buy from a service like Steam or Ubisoft without the actual service you bought it from. Even if you were to find the actual executable, I'd guess it would still load the launcher that is originally tied to the game.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Thu Oct 9 18:53:26 2025
    Hey Arelor!

    On Thu, 09 Oct 2025 14:14:00 -0500, you wrote:

    The same goes for any other game you buy from any of the other
    companies.

    Well, Gog provides a launcher but you can absolutely use their games
    with no launcher at all, and they hand you, themselves, install files
    for you to perform offline installs with no activation or anything.

    Zoom-platform does something similar. I think Itch.io is DRM free for
    the time being too.

    Oh, nice. However, you'll never get that kind of trust from the big boys, though. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Oct 10 00:17:06 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Oct 09 2025 02:08 pm

    The fun part is that Disney is a left-wing company. The idea lefties
    are dogpiling on them because they are not pure enough would be so fundamentaly wonkers. I kind of wish it


    i dont think disney is left wing. i just think it's an evil entity that wants to stay off the radar in regards to controversy.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Fri Oct 10 20:27:09 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Arelor on Thu Oct 09 2025 06:53 pm

    Oh, nice. However, you'll never get that kind of trust from the big boys, though. ;)


    Big game publishers can choke on my dick for all I care. I rarely buy a game these days, and when I do it is always indie titles on sale.

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not justifiable to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD mark BEFORE discounts.

    The sort of stuff I consider buying always makes it out of Steam. It is the stuff that sucks or wants to abuse your good will that refuses to be anywhere else. No big loss. Again, offer is so big that becoming hostage to Steam is a conscious decision which is easily avoidable. People only does because they don't think much about it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Fri Oct 10 20:37:32 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Oct 10 2025 12:17 am


    i dont think disney is left wing. i just think it's an evil entity that wants to stay off the radar in regards to controversy.


    My parents were friends with some of the people involved in that Lion King Musical show which is so popular in Spain they are still playing it to this day.

    They never gave too many details but you could tell the power structures within the company were political motivated. In fact I think they were already priorizing sexual orientation hires much, much before it was fashionable or politically profitable at all.

    If Disney was a company trying to stay off the radar they would not make politically charged movies, specially those that play blame games.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Oct 10 21:43:31 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to MRO on Fri Oct 10 2025 08:37 pm

    They never gave too many details but you could tell the power
    structures within the company were political motivated. In fact I
    think they were already priorizing sexual orientation hires much,
    much before it was fashionable or politically profitable at all.

    If Disney was a company trying to stay off the radar they would not

    disney is just trying to appear to be woke because that's what is expected
    and followed in the entertainment industry.

    have to have lots of jews and love the jews and be woke.

    replace as many characters with black or trans.
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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Sat Oct 11 06:40:50 2025
    Hey Arelor!

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 20:27:08 -0500, you wrote:

    Big game publishers can choke on my dick for all I care. I rarely buy a
    game these days, and when I do it is always indie titles on sale.

    I guess I somewhat agree, but if I want a game, I'm going to get it. I used to pre-order, but now I wait until the first sale where they knock off about 20 bucks. But, kind of like you, I don't buy games nearly as often as I used to. I do still enjoy the Resident Evil series, some of the Tom Clancy games, and might grab Battlefield 6 whenever they have a sale on it. I won't pay full price for it, though (this coincides with me not caring to have the latest and greatest GPUs, also - as I don't need it and it would be a waste of money in my case - getting a GTX5090 to play the shit out of Minecraft and Fortnite is hilarious, but some people will do it).

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not justifiable
    to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD mark BEFORE
    discounts.

    The 90-100 dollar price tags they put on games these days is usually just the game itself, that includes some sort of season pass and maybe some extra gear. Absolutely not worth it, IMO, especially if you know you're not going to play the game throughout the entire "season" or year or whatever that pass is good for.

    The sort of stuff I consider buying always makes it out of Steam. It is
    the stuff that sucks or wants to abuse your good will that refuses to be anywhere else. No big loss. Again, offer is so big that becoming hostage
    to Steam is a conscious decision which is easily avoidable. People only
    does because they don't think much about it.

    PUBG and maybe even Counter Strike are great examples of not ripping people off and providing a quality game that peaked higher than any other game when it comes to player base. I believe they were released at $40, and stayed that way. Both games are 10+ years old now, still popular and going strong.

    When COD had 3+ active developing companies of the game, it was a bit better because each company had 3 years (they rotated) to create a new game. Now, I think it's only one or two that rehash the same shit every year.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Sat Oct 11 14:32:28 2025
    Arelor wrote to Accession <=-

    There are many games out there. Too many. Offer is enormous, it dwarfes demand. No reason at all to spend big money on gaming, specially if you don't get to buy the game but you only license it. It is not
    justifiable to pay 90 bucks to play the current iteration of Super
    Mario Kart when quality indie precision racers are bellow the 20 USD
    mark BEFORE discounts.

    I think the big money is in-game purchases. I've played War Thunder
    since 2015 or so and when I look at the store history at how much I've
    spent on in-game coin to get a specific plane, I weep.

    Instead of grinding out to get to the higher levels, some people buy
    the premium planes when they come out. I swear, us thunder dogs pile up
    on the premium players when a new plane comes out. :)

    Although, lately, it's all top-tier planes as premiums.






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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 12 01:29:55 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Oct 09 2025 11:00 am

    With as many ads that I see on TV for services that keep track of
    these things *for you*, I suspect that there must be quite a few

    Interesting.. I don't recall ever seeing ads for anything like that.

    I don't see how. ;) They are everywhere. They are specifically ads for phone apps so maybe you are tuning them out. I see them here, on TV and during YT videos, about as often as the celebrity endorsements of those two "Royal" phone video games.

    Where is "here"? Also, I have a paid YouTube subscription right now, so I don't see YouTube ads.. Also I don't use streaming services a whole lot; also haven't noticed ads for them on broadcast TV.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Sun Oct 12 01:38:32 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu Oct 09 2025 06:10 pm

    I'm pretty sure you can run the game executable directly if you wanted to.

    Try it. Hell, try to find the actual game executable and original game directory structure, even (especially if you install to default Steam directories). It's so intertwined into Steams subdirectories

    That's not hard to do.. The quickets way is to open your Steam library, right-click on one of the games you have installed, and select Manage > Browse Local Files. It opens a Windows Explorer window in the directory with the game, and the .exe and everything is right there. The game is in Steam Library\steamapps\common\<game name>.. Doesn't seem terribly complicated to me.

    At least, I've run several Steam games that way. Steam doesn't obfuscate
    the game's files. I thought Steam put a shortcut icon on your desktop for
    the games, too..

    It optionally can, yes. However, using said desktop icon still loads up Steam (same goes for any other launcher said games are tied to) to launch

    Looks like that's true.. I checked one of the shortcuts and it runs Steam with some kind of game ID.

    The launching from Steam is just a convenience, I thought.

    I'm not so sure about that. I imagine there's probably some kind of exclusivity to where you can't just use any launcher for any game you want. If the launcher comes with the game, thay're going to make sure you can't bypass it, etc..

    Either way, I don't think you can run the games you buy from a service like Steam or Ubisoft without the actual service you bought it from. Even if you were to find the actual executable, I'd guess it would still load the launcher that is originally tied to the game.

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them directly.

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Sun Oct 12 08:12:18 2025
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 01:38:32 -0700, you wrote:

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    With Steam still running, I'm guessing.

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games..
    I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from
    running them directly.

    Can you can shut down Steam (not even running in the background), and still run the game without it re-launching, or requiring Steam (or whatever other launcher/app the game is originally tied to) to be running?

    I just tried this with Resident Evil 4. Shut down steam, ran "re4.exe", Steam opened, and asked if I would allow Valve to access my computer.. and now Steam is again running in my background.

    Regards,
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 12 11:04:07 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Oct 11 2025 02:32 pm

    I think the big money is in-game purchases. I've played War Thunder
    since 2015 or so and when I look at the store history at how much I've
    spent on in-game coin to get a specific plane, I weep.

    Instead of grinding out to get to the higher levels, some people buy
    the premium planes when they come out. I swear, us thunder dogs pile up
    on the premium players when a new plane comes out. :)

    Although, lately, it's all top-tier planes as premiums.


    Oh yeah, the mobile-like business model actually dwarves conventional game purchases, by miles. Microtransactions are the big money makers because people are suckers.

    Quite frankly, lots of microtransactions exist precisely because the game is not fun to play, so you buy the right to skip it. Think about it.

    I mean, take a game such as BallisticNG. It has DLC, you buy the DLC, and as a result you get to play MORE game - the DLCs come with extra tracks, extra challenges, extra ships. You buy the DLC because you like the base game and want more of it.

    BallisticNG is the sort of game in which you unlock new tracks, challenges and ships by achieving success on the available game modes. It is not grinding for points, it is achieving victories. Simplifying, If you want to unlock the next set of challenges you have to beat the current ones.

    Now, they could sell you a nice MTX that unlocked everything for a modic price, but what would be the point? Buying the game for 15 bucks, then paying 5 more in order to skip all of it? Nonsense! You get your gamepad and beat the game because the game is fun, period, and you get some ship as a reward when you beat all of the precision runs because then you can show it to friends or whatever. And the prize ship is bad as heck, but it does not matter, because you didn't beat the runs for it anyway.

    When do you pay in order to skip the game? When the game is borying. You invest into a game then pay so you can skip segments of a game. What that tells me is the game sucks balls. And the problem is every f2p and mobile game does that sort of thing. I don't think playing those games is a healthy dynamic.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sun Oct 12 11:08:27 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Nightfox to Accession on Sun Oct 12 2025 01:38 am

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them directly.

    Nightfox

    Steam is a runtime dependency for a lot of games, specially many which support achievements, leader boards and multiplayer play. The games use Steam provided services for those, which is the reason many games that have both a Steam version and non-Steam versions distribute the non-Steam version as a pertially functional copy.

    For example, the Gog release for Redout has no online multiplayer support so they had to add a bunch of extras and lower the price so they could sell it and not be lynched.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 12 09:28:01 2025
    I don't see how. ;) They are everywhere. They are specifically ads for
    phone apps so maybe you are tuning them out. I see them here, on TV and during YT videos, about as often as the celebrity endorsements of those two "Royal" phone video games.

    Where is "here"? Also, I have a paid YouTube subscription right now, so I don't see YouTube ads.. Also I don't use streaming services a whole lot; also
    haven't noticed ads for them on broadcast TV.

    Kentucky, but during network programming.

    I don't stream at all. They are on broadcast & cable TV pretty regular. Like I said, you are probably tuning them out or think they are for something else and not realizing it.

    Or maybe they are somehow illegal in your area.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Sun Oct 12 11:32:34 2025
    Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Sun Oct 12 2025 08:12 am

    I just ran one of my Steam games by directly running its .exe (after
    clicking Manage > Browse Local Files).

    With Steam still running, I'm guessing.

    It still seems to me like Steam is mainly a mechanism to buy games.. I'm
    not sure it does much (if any) obfuscation to prevent you from running them
    directly.

    Can you can shut down Steam (not even running in the background), and still run the game without it re-launching, or requiring Steam (or whatever other launcher/app the game is originally tied to) to be running?

    I just tried this with Resident Evil 4. Shut down steam, ran "re4.exe", Steam opened, and asked if I would allow Valve to access my computer.. and now Steam is again running in my background.

    I just tried exiting Steam and running a Steam game, and Steam started up again (in my case, I tried one of the Jackbox Party Packs). So it seems Steam does need to be running to play their games.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sun Oct 12 14:23:52 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 12 2025 11:04 am

    Quite frankly, lots of microtransactions exist precisely because
    the game is not fun to play, so you buy the right to skip it. Think
    about it.

    I mean, take a game such as BallisticNG. It has DLC, you buy the DLC,

    well i think a lot of regular games have just cosmetic things now.
    they learned that paying help you in the game hurts the game overall.

    now mobile games, i believe don't follow that.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sun Oct 12 20:32:55 2025
    Re: Re: The Disney+ price hike ha
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Oct 12 2025 02:23 pm

    well i think a lot of regular games have just cosmetic things now.
    they learned that paying help you in the game hurts the game overall.

    now mobile games, i believe don't follow that.

    If free-to-play games respect their users, microtransactions tend to be about cosmetics, but there are lots of them who sell you everything else.

    I think gacha games tend to be the worst offenders. Do you want to play an ARPG with a given character? The only way to do it is to unlock the character by winning it in a lottery! Buy some tickets, see if you get the character you want to play. Most likely you get a shitty character instead but don't worry, you can keep buying tickets.

    Browser games tend to be very lame in this regard. They have lots of timed events you have to beat in order to win prizes. They deliberatedly make it so you won't have time enough to beat the event playing normally. You need to buy bonuses so you have a chance at beating the event and unlocking that awesome prize horse.


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